Late last year, Political Empathy Project founder Nick Shereikis sat down with Compassionate America co-founder and Democracy Caravan co-host June Klees to talk about political empathy — or, as they like to call it, civic empathy. In about half an hour, the duo discussed what exactly political empathy is, how to practice it, and the challenges we may encounter along the way to finding our better selves.

Listen to Democracy Caravan episode 19: